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		<title>Enterprise Geeks Podcast &#8211; RIA and the Enterprise: When Worlds Collide</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 13:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ed Herrmann</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well eGheads, it&#8217;s the moment you&#8217;ve all been waiting for. Sit down and enjoy this must listen episode with Adobe Platform Evangelist, Ryan Stewart. Ed, Thomas, and Ryan cover a little bit of everything including comparisons of Adobe vs. SAP approach to reaching developers and the future of RIA in the SAP world. If you [...]]]></description>
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<p>Well eGheads, it&#8217;s the moment you&#8217;ve all been waiting for.  Sit down and enjoy this must listen episode with Adobe Platform Evangelist, <a href="http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/">Ryan Stewart</a>.  Ed, Thomas, and Ryan cover a little bit of everything including comparisons of Adobe vs. SAP approach to reaching developers and the future of RIA in the SAP world.  </p>
<p>If you have questions, suggestions, or topic ideas for future episodes, give us a <a href="http://enterprisegeeks.com/blog/suggestions">shout here</a>.  Enjoy!</p>
<p>Running Time: 61 minutes</p>

<h2>Talking Points</h2>
<ol>
<li><em>00:15</em> &#8211; Intro with <a href="http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/">Ryan Stewart</a>
<ul>
<li>Traveling around the world</li>
<li>A little background</li>
<li>Life of a Technology Evangelist</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>07:49</em> &#8211; Can SAP learn from Adobe&#8217;s growth of <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/">Flex</a> and <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/air/">AIR</a></li>
<li><em>12:44</em> &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Internet_application">RIA</a> in the Enterprise
<ul>
<li>How fast will adoption be for RIA technologies within the enterprise?</li>
<li>Will the barrier to entry into SAP development scare off existing RIA developers away from the enterprise?</li>
<li>After analytics and data visualization, what else will RIA help push forward?</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>26:38</em> &#8211; Current exciting technologies in the RIA world
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.ribbit.com/">Ribbit</a> &#8211; also check out <a href="https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/12935">Flash Islands using Ribbit</a> by <a href="http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/">Mrinal Wadhwa</a></li>
<li><a href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/afcs/">Flash Collaboration Service</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>30:38</em> &#8211; Talking <a href="http://www.sapteched.com/usa/">SAP TechEd</a> and <a href="http://max.adobe.com/">Adobe MAX</a> 2009</li>
<li><em>33:55</em> &#8211; Do designers and designer tools have a place in the enterprise?
<ul>
<li>Intro to <a href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcatalyst/">Flash Catalyst</a></li>
<li>Will Flash Islands layer abstraction allow IT to utilize design centric RIA shops like <a href="http://cynergysystems.com/">Cynergy Systems</a> and <a href="http://universalmind.com/">Universal Mind</a>?</li>
<li>Designer tools like Flash Catalyst and <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Expression/products/Overview.aspx?key=blend">Microsoft Expression Blend</a> for prototyping</li>
<li>Other ideas for SAP and Adobe partnership like SAP theme UI add-ons and integration with <a href="https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/nw-vc">SAP Visual Composer</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>49:13</em> &#8211; Ryan&#8217;s thoughts on Oracle buying Sun and the implications for <a href="http://javafx.com/">JavaFX</a</li>
<li><em>52:10</em> &#8211; Closing Thoughts
<ul>
<li>Ed and Ryan&#8217;s web 2.0 story</li>
<li>Check out <a href="http://www.brockett.net/">Kurt Brockett</a> and <a href="http://identitymine.com/">Identity Mine</a></li>
<li>Ed, Ryan, and Thomas share stories about eating burgers at <a href="http://www.thecounterburger.com/paloalto/">The Counter</a></li>
<li>Check out Ryan&#8217;s <a href="http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/">blog</a></li>
<li>Follow <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanstewart">Ryan</a> on Twitter</li>
<li>Listen to Ryan and Cote on <a href="http://www.riaweekly.com/">RIA weekly</a></li>
</ul>
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		<title>Enterprise Geeks Podcast &#8211; Battle Royale: ABAP vs. Java</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ed Herrmann</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[EGheads, this one is a keeper. In this episode, Ed and Thomas get down and dirty on the age old debate of ABAP vs. Java in the SAP world. Listen to find out our results of this mighty battle of the languages. This is definitely one episode you don&#8217;t want to miss. If you have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 235px"><a href="http://www.comicvine.com/two-face/29-5555/"><img title="The big question here is which language is the evil side of SAP? You know how I feel, but I wont say it...java" src="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12611/463190-twoface.jpg" alt="The two faces of SAP and its dual platform strategy" width="96%" height="96%" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The two faces of SAP and it&#39;s dual platform strategy</p></div>
<p>EGheads, this one is a keeper.  In this episode, Ed and Thomas get down and dirty on the age old debate of ABAP vs. Java in the SAP world.  Listen to find out our results of this mighty battle of the languages.  This is definitely one episode you don&#8217;t want to miss.</p>
<p>If you have questions, suggestions, or topic ideas for future episodes, give us a <a href="http://enterprisegeeks.com/blog/suggestions">shout here</a>.  Enjoy!</p>
<p>Running Time: 54 minutes</p>

<h2>Talking Points</h2>
<ol>
<li><em>01:19</em> &#8211; What is your favorite geek energy drink? The eGeeks weapon of choice is <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/2818/">Bawls</a></li>
<li><em>04:52</em> &#8211; Battle Royale: ABAP vs. Java &#8211; Round 1
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29752352/">IBM buying Sun?</a></li>
<li>What would that mean for Java?</li>
<li>Future of Java overall and at SAP</li>
<li>SAP&#8217;s current focus on ABAP</li>
<li>SAP as a dual platform company causes ADD &amp; schizophrenia</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>27:50</em> &#8211; More thoughts on SOA
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.jonerp.com/content/view/244/1/" target="_blank">ASUG Roundtable on Is SOA Dead </a>hosted by <a href="http://jonerp.com">Jon Reed</a></li>
<li>Continued debate of future of SOA<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_as_a_service"><br />
</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>31:20</em> &#8211; Battle Royale: ABAP vs. Java &#8211; Round 2
<ul>
<li>ABAP had it&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa">Amish Rumspringa</a> and vows to never return</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sapteched.com/usa/edu_sessions/home.htm">SAP TechEd Custom Development Track</a></li>
<li>ABAP freaks</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>39:42</em> &#8211; <a href="http://www.apple.com/iphone/preview-iphone-os/">This week&#8217;s iPhone 3.0 announcements</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/analysis/2238764/iphone-bring-enterprise">iPhone 3.0 &#8211; Enterprise Ready?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.macnn.com/articles/09/03/17/iphone.30.revealed/">Push technology</a> and <a href="http://www.sap.com/about/newsroom/press.epx?pressid=11051">Sybase</a> <a href="http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62051971,00.htm"><br />
</a></li>
<li>Nice breakdown of the <a href="http://lifehacker.com/5173441/android-versus-iphone-30-the-showdown">new features and comparison of iPhone 3.0 and Android</a> (not on podcast, link only)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>42:03</em> &#8211; <a href="http://live.visitmix.com/">MIX09</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.ion.icaew.com/itcounts/17282">Awesome virtual participation setup</a></li>
<li><a href="http://silverlight.net/getstarted/silverlight3/default.aspx">Silverlight 3.0</a></li>
<li>Silverlight and SAP?</li>
<li><a href="http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19532/microsoft-draws-back-the-curtain-on-silverlight-3">Silverlight on the Desktop</a></li>
<li>Microsoft promotes <a href="http://silverlight.net/quickstarts/deepzoom.aspx">Deep Zoom</a> by announcing 54 free issues of <a href="http://playboyarchive.com/">Playboy Archives</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/expression/products/Overview.aspx?key=blend">Microsoft Expression Blend</a> interactive design tool is looking really good</li>
<li><a href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcatalyst/">Adobe Flash Catalyst</a> is no slacker when it comes to tools for designers</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>52:02</em> &#8211; Closing thoughts and ramblings
<ul>
<li>Tom wishes Ed happy birthday</li>
<li>Tom is pumped up about the final episode of <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/20/battlestar.galactica.end/index.html">Battlestar Galactica</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
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		<title>Enterprise Geeks Podcast &#8211; Who Killed the Dancing Bear</title>
		<link>http://enterprisegeeks.com/blog/2009/03/16/egeeks-podcast-episode-10/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ed Herrmann</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Curl]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Flex]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesomeness alert! In this episode, we have the honor to talk with special guest Michael Coté from Redmonk. The episode was so packed with geeky goodness, that we had to split it into two parts. Listen below for part 1 as we talk about all kinds of fun topics including an in depth discussion about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_665" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 235px"><img src="http://enterprisegeeks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/beardance-209x300.jpg" alt="Is RIA the Dancing Bear Hunter?" title="It's all fun and games until a bear in a tutu shows up in your cubicle" width="225" height="300" class="size-medium wp-image-665" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Will RIA make the Dancing Bear extinct?</p></div>
<p>Awesomeness alert!  In this episode, we have the honor to talk with special guest Michael Coté from Redmonk.  The episode was so packed with geeky goodness, that we had to split it into two parts.  Listen below for part 1 as we talk about all kinds of fun topics including an in depth discussion about RIA and the future in the Enterprise.  Be on the lookout for part 2 coming soon.</p>
<p>If you have questions, suggestions, or topic ideas for future episodes, give us a <a href="http://enterprisegeeks.com/blog/suggestions">shout here</a>.  Enjoy!</p>
<p>Running Time: 45 minutes</p>

<h2>Talking Points</h2>
<ol>
<li> <em>00:12</em> &#8211; Welcome Coté (follow <a href="http://twitter.com/cote">@cote</a> on twitter)
<ul>
<li>Coté now stamped as an official eGhead</li>
<li>Living off of his <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cote/3348725129/">Zenoss sponsored netbook</a> for a week. What&#8217;s a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbook">netbook</a>?</li>
<li>Coté tells Ed how to get a <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/">Tesla</a></li>
<li><a href="http://redmonk.com/">Redmonk</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.redmonk.com/cote/">People Over Process</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.riaweekly.com/">RIA Weekly</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.redmonk.com/cote/it-management-podcast/">IT Management &#038; Cloud Podcast</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.drunkandretired.com/">Drunk and Retired</a></li>
<li><a href="http://redmonk.libsyn.com/">Redmonk Radio</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.redmonk.com/tv/">Redmonk TV</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/10/03/majority-desk-wiimote-3d-widget-desktop-totally-sick/">Get your wii hands on Redmonk TV</a> ( and me +80 pounds ago! ) </li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>16:41</em> &#8211; RIA talk
<ul>
<li>Back to the basics &#8211; what is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Internet_application">RIA</a>?</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum-Products/dp/0672326140/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1237047399&#038;sr=8-1">The Inmates are Running the Asylum</a></li>
<li>RIA is the Dancing Bear Killer</li>
<li>The players &#8211; <a href="https://developer.mozilla.org/en/AJAX">AJAX</a>, <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/">Flex</a>, <a href="http://silverlight.net/">Silverlight</a>, <a href="http://javafx.com/">JavaFX</a>, <a href="http://www.openlaszlo.org/">OpenLaszlo</a>, &#038; <a href="http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/">GWT</a></li>
<li><a href="http://titaniumapp.com/">Appcelarator Titanium &#8211; Open platform for building rich desktop applications</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.curl.com/">Curl &#8211; The Enterprise RIA Platform</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><em>33:27</em> &#8211; RIA in the Enterprise
<ul>
<li>Thoughts on Flash Islands and RIA in the enterprise</li>
<li>The importance of SAP&#8217;s support and strategy behind RIA for their customers</li>
<li>Is Flex the right technology for SAP to focus on right now?</li>
<li>SAP should be careful of the <a href="http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/003388.html">Big Blue Monster</a></li>
<li>As JavaFX matures, it has the advantage of SAP running on a Java platform</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ol>
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